"Grief is what we pay for love. If you don't really love somebody, you just get past it." Zibby is joined by poet, professor, and author Honorée Fanonne Jeffers to talk about her debut novel, The Love Songs of W.E.B. Du Bois, which was just selected as the next Oprah’s Book Club pick. Honorée shares how she wanted to infuse the book with memories from her childhood without stealing stories directly from her family, as well as how a prolonged period of loss and grief in her life has led her to form a deep connection with her characters. Check out Zibby and Kyle’s appearance on Good Day LA where they recommended this book here: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSXW1bUJhVp/.