Katherine: We dip down into suffering when we assume we’re the only people that are struggling. We think everybody else is perfect. They're skating around on ice skates. We’re suffering because we think we’re alone. We’re knuckleheads. We suck. Everybody else is perfect. At the end of the day, we control the suffering. If we beat ourselves up less and give ourselves some grace for going through hard times, then the goal is just to struggle. If you're struggling, you're winning. That's the human existence. You can't buy your way out of it, move your way out of it, grow your way -- you're stuck with struggling, but we can suffer a lot less. Men suffer less than we do, in general.